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General Category => Modellers At Work => Topic started by: JESTER on November 15, 2010, 08:52:31 AM

Title: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 15, 2010, 08:52:31 AM
Here's some progress on a Rocket I'm building. I'm still trying to figure out a paint scheme.
I was thinking white but I like the look of the gray primer. I've never weathered anything black so I'll be checking out the weathering section a lot!!

I found this forum after seeing some of Chuck Doan's amazing models.

The inside engine core will have lighting. I still have to details the bottom area and I'll add primer hopefully later this week.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg526.imageshack.us%2Fimg526%2F2792%2Fj618.jpg&hash=6b5fe0926f01d6a5a3437926bf1107c017880a2a)

Size comparison.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg704.imageshack.us%2Fimg704%2F5664%2Fj601.jpg&hash=85c525697ae7c8fee2d4cae6dcf8ba594f5f3d1e)

Here's my original sketch.
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Thanks for looking!

Tim
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: teejay99 on November 15, 2010, 09:31:08 AM
Beats the heck out of the 39c balsa wood plane I had as a kid his age  ;D ....OK , I'll ask , is this considered Rocket Science ?

Welcome , Tim .

Terry
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: jim s-w on November 15, 2010, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: teejay99 on November 15, 2010, 09:31:08 AM
Beats the heck out of the 39c balsa wood plane I had as a kid his age  ;D ....OK , I'll ask , is this considered Rocket Science ?

Welcome , Tim .

Terry

Nothing clever about rocket science Terry!  Mix 2 volatile chemicals, they explode!  Its rocket engineering thats the clever stuff.

Havent seen a marker visual for many years!  Good stuff!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: marc_reusser on November 15, 2010, 01:48:23 PM
Welcome to the forum.

That looks like a neat build......and I always enjoy a cool ad-marker sketch.




Marc
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 15, 2010, 03:09:23 PM
Thanks!!

I hope to have the lighting finished tomorrow and I'll post more pics as soon as I finish.
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: darrylhuffman on November 15, 2010, 06:13:04 PM
Back in 1958 I was really a nut about rockets, just like everyone kid back then except I went further and built my own.
I lived at the old Tulare Lake Basin in California so I had miles of empty sagebrush for my experiments.
We could cook up a batch of what I remember as being Glunite but the safer route was early solid fuel rockets from factories.   This was before Estes.

I was member number 49 of the American Rocket Society headed up by G Harry Stine.
All of this was illegal back then so I did not pursue it much.
I see all kinds of really great rocket modeling these days and all of it fires up my old interest.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 15, 2010, 06:46:22 PM
Very cool! And a nice use of pvc pipe components.

This is strictly a static model, right? Or do you plan to make it flyable?

Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 15, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
Thanks, this is purely static. It's also too heavy to fly!! ;D
I love spacecrafts and finally had a chance to make one so this is really fun.

I love the way Railroad cars and Machinery are weathered and hope to learn a lot on the forum!
I bought a couple railroad cars and that will be my next project.

Tim
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: gnichols on November 15, 2010, 07:09:30 PM
Is this is one of those rockets that goes up to launch something?  In that case, I'd put the country's or sponsor's decals proudly on a lite-colored background.  Jazzy graphics, too.  If it also comes down and goes boom, paint it some evil color and put a catchy slogan on it, like to Saddam with love.  But if it's going into orbit with living things inside, doesn't it have to be covered and painted with special materials to fend off the hazards of space?  Gary
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: darrylhuffman on November 15, 2010, 07:46:48 PM
You may not know this, but group member Ray Dunakin combines the hobbies of model railroading and model rockets in a practical way.

Ray has spent many hours finding and documenting old mining sites and ghost towns in the West.  Ray has a great website when he displays all his photos:

http://www.raydunakin.com/Site/Welcome.html

What makes Ray's site distinctive is that he takes along a model rocket equipped with a camera.  Ray launches the rocket to get an aerial view of the ghost town or mining area in addition to all the normal photos a ghost town site has.

This can really give you a great feel for how isolated some of these old sites are.

I have spent many hours looking at the hundreds and hundreds of great photos Ray shares with all of us.  Check it out.
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: Chuck Doan on November 16, 2010, 07:00:10 AM
Welcome Tim! Nice project; reminds me of a very tall Saturn 5 I built as a kid. Revell kit maybe.
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 17, 2010, 02:31:23 PM
Thanks for the comments!!

Initially I wanted to paint it with Reefer white but I like the primer color and might go black.
I started a "Tips for weathering a painted black metal surface  (http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=1196.0)" thread to get some advice and tips.

Chuck Doan, I saw your weathered Junkyard Locomotive and was blown away!! It's what brought me to the forum!

Here's a video of the engine core and lighting kit. I still have to detail and prime the bottom area.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg715.imageshack.us%2Fimg715%2F5655%2Fclickme.jpg&hash=1bed72fd463f71bcb1e5ff7b1a7c46bf3298a03f) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKfIpF8fEM8)

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 17, 2010, 07:08:23 PM
Cool!

A friend of mine built a custom, high-power rocket several years ago that had something like 2000+ high intensity LED's, with an onboard control circuit that made them flash in various patterns. Sadly, on the first flight he forgot to arm the altimeter which was supposed to deploy the parachute. Straight up, straight down, instant disassembly.

Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 25, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
I finally got the bottom area detailed and primed today. I also started to paint the graphics.

Almost time for the weathering!! Yay!!

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FJ6_20.jpg&hash=2e51914e19a2260389532a89b2ab0db69b19aaf1)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FJ6_19.jpg&hash=9370ac9d9e224d5d2545113e4b1cb9d7d2990fa5)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FJ6_21.jpg&hash=1eee2be77af88b2bdb7a5925e3d5e4a8e881afb7)

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 25, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
And here's a small video I made earlier today.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg151.imageshack.us%2Fimg151%2F4498%2Fyoutube2r.jpg&hash=237e9597c109afab85f1db73398ea2134a96d616) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S77GyvBs6NQ)

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 27, 2010, 05:04:29 PM
I painted the edges of the fins and the mid-band. I also started to weather the graphic.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FJ6_25.jpg&hash=a3344bfa2d8b1e25addebbb9a9d75002204b23ca)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FJ6_24.jpg&hash=c217cebcdd0fa41a68a0ae5fb39d8daa2a5b8db7)

3D glasses needed.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FJ6_23.jpg&hash=098d9f69ca77b9096352882d53315f2fa416577c)
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: artizen on November 27, 2010, 06:09:24 PM
As it so happens, I have cardboard 3D glasses from a copy of Top Gear magazine sitting right next to me! That 3D photo with glasses looks really cool! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on November 30, 2010, 08:17:31 PM
Thanks!

I built 4 mini rockets to go along with the larger one. I took a bunch of pics but none of them captured what it really looks like. I'll have to set up a photo booth.

I did get a good pic of one of the smaller ones. I still have more weathering to do but almost one.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FJ6_29.jpg&hash=fbed087d63a72958fd93d2b1687fbcfaf66f8312)

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: finescalerr on November 30, 2010, 09:08:30 PM
You really need to pack them with explosives .... -- ssuR
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 03, 2010, 09:59:39 PM
Marc Reusser mentioned using powders so I got some Bragdon powders from the local train store. ???

Man I love this stuff!! I thought they would act like the pastels I ground up in the past but these things are amazing!!!  :D

I had so much fun last night weathering these! Wow, the possibilities of the powders is endless. I just painted them on and blended them like an airbrush but I'll be experimenting with them for a while.

I made a light box tonight so i could get better pics. I'll post a few more when I can.

Thanks Marc!!  ;D

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FDSC03938_sm.jpg&hash=cd62e92e54ed0da79f3b050d922e0b1aabc53ff9)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FDSC03908_sm.jpg&hash=1b58fabcad80368d4b4a45dd36320f4dc064ae1c)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2FDSC03933_sm.jpg&hash=fbde391e47f1ea7ad7b7e609e74fc86e3b1ece6b)



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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 05, 2010, 11:24:29 AM
Here are all 4 of the minis.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi191.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz60%2Fj6studios%2FCUSTOMS%2Fminis_sm.jpg&hash=a57aa5dbbc2dd4752a2172c6b7736ab82ba53a6d)

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: finescalerr on December 05, 2010, 01:07:09 PM
Totally insane. But do not seek therapy. -- Russ
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: marc_reusser on December 07, 2010, 11:04:08 AM
Tim,

These all came out very cool looking. Nice variety of weathering and wear.

So what becomes of these.....does your son get to be the happiest kid in the neighborhood?


Marc
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: Chuck Doan on December 07, 2010, 12:43:53 PM
I like em too.
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 07, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Thanks guys!! ;D

These were actually made for an art show in Los Angeles this Saturday at a place called Toy Art Gallery.

My son wants the black one on the far left. I wanted to make some support vehicles etc but I ran out of time due to spending a few weeks on Halloween Costumes.

My next project is a train!!

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: marc_reusser on December 07, 2010, 06:28:35 PM
Tim,

Do you have info on the show?  Is it open to the public?

I might just have to leave my little Pasadena world, and go mingle with those LA types.

M
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 07, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: marc_reusser on December 07, 2010, 06:28:35 PMI might just have to leave my little Pasadena world, and go mingle with those LA types.

M


Here's the Gallery and some info.  (http://www.toyartgallery.com/shows/current-shows/12152010-cris-rosedrilonephujester/)

That would be cool if you could come out! I'll be flying there on Thursday.

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: finescalerr on December 08, 2010, 12:56:53 AM
Tim, you must be some kind of luminary in your field. I looked at many examples on the blog. To call those things "toys" is like calling the Mona Lisa a "sketch". -- Russ
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 08, 2010, 06:18:38 AM
Quote from: finescalerr on December 08, 2010, 12:56:53 AM
Tim, you must be some kind of luminary in your field. I looked at many examples on the blog. To call those things "toys" is like calling the Mona Lisa a "sketch". -- Russ

Thanks Russ! I'm still trying to figure out what field I belong to.

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 11, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: marc_reusser on December 07, 2010, 06:28:35 PM
I might just have to leave my little Pasadena world, and go mingle with those LA types.

I was in Pasadena today. Very nice place. I saw Doc Brown's house!

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Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: marc_reusser on December 12, 2010, 01:14:46 PM
Phone snappies of Tims' models at the show last night, and of Tim signing one of his pieces.


(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash2%2Fhs590.ash2%2F154216_1239266757783_1712727761_441939_1850432_n.jpg&hash=60179eb15493237a37244af719a7af002e01c700)


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Was great to meet him and chat.


M
Title: Re: Scratchbuilt Rocket
Post by: JESTER on December 12, 2010, 06:47:36 PM
Thanks for coming out to the show Marc! It was great talking to you. I was thinking you would look like your avatar!! ;D

I had a question about the Bragdon powders. You mentioned something about why they stick so well.

What are the differences between the MIG, Bragdon and other powders?

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