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Title: 2ft Gauge mining critter in 16mm scale
Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
In my search for small Mine locos I came across this Ruth Company mine "trammer" small prototype so it just had to be large scale 1/16th  (3/4in = 1ft) these little critters came in many forms  and made use of many available Fordson parts - engines were petrol or diesel I'v gone for a 3 cylinder diesel according to the reading a "home spun" version from the owners workshop and what was available at the time.
So out with the Lego Blocks and a start has been made
Barney
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
The Radiator cowl is of a "Universal Hobbies" Fordson E27N a new shorter fuel tank has been made using the Universal Hobbies end panels
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:30:27 AM
The wheels are curly spoke type from the Slaters range of narrow gauge wheels - the centres have been filled with Milliput
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
The 3 cylinder engine is started life as LEGO BLOCKS and skinned with plastic card - drive wheels from acrylic rod
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:39:27 AM
where do you put your feet - the answer is anywhere you can drivers never looked very happy !
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:42:17 AM
The brakes looked a bit dodgy to !
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
a bit more
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Post by: Barney on September 27, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
Next step the connecting rods and those iffy ! band brakes
please note all you eagle eyed modellers most parts so far just placed together for trial fitting
Barney
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Post by: Design-HSB on September 27, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Hello Bill, very interesting little engine and as a fan of mine locomotives i like should indeed special.
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Post by: finescalerr on September 27, 2015, 12:13:23 PM
A decent start. -- Russ
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Post by: lab-dad on September 27, 2015, 04:25:04 PM
Looking forward to more!!!
A Fordson and 1/16th? Yea!!!!!
Marty
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on September 27, 2015, 08:10:02 PM
An interesting prototype + a brilliant start to the model = Awesome project!

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Post by: Chuck Doan on September 27, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
Looking great! Nice choice Barney.
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Post by: Barney on October 08, 2015, 04:11:18 AM
Brake gear and connecting rods nearly completed (Im sure the manufactures of this little critters - the brakes were a bit of an afterthought)
Barney
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Post by: Hydrostat on October 08, 2015, 04:23:08 AM
Beautiful fabrication.

Cheers,
Volker
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Post by: michael mott on October 08, 2015, 10:42:44 AM
I am not sure what is so iffy about this type of brake gear, As long as the drivwe is out of gear they would be pretty efficient in my opinion, a great deal of pressure can be applied with the smallest of fulcrum leverage consider the gripping power of a few turns of rope around a drum.

The model is looking good.

Mike
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 08, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
It's the same type of braking used on mine hoists, so there must be some value to it.

Good thing this is a static model though, and not motorized. That kind of brake would be difficult to model accurately without it dragging.

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Post by: Barney on October 12, 2015, 07:52:06 AM
Sorry put the wrong scale - should read 16mm scale
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Post by: 1-32 on October 12, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
hey barney
have just caught up with your post neat little loco.with my latest project the flat pack i will be building a small loco similar,so many good detail items on this little critter especially the arm chair style drivers seat
cheers kim
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Post by: Barney on October 28, 2015, 05:00:10 AM
Please note - The little critter in 1/16th scale now closed - Its now under a new Topic -2ft gauge Mining Critter in 16mm scale
and no I haven't lost the plot yet!!
Barney
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Post by: Barney on October 28, 2015, 05:05:20 AM
A Few shots of the Ruth mine Trammer
modified Radiator /fuel tank and engine trial fit
Barney
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Post by: Barney on October 28, 2015, 05:06:06 AM
other side
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 28, 2015, 09:57:43 AM
Cool!
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Post by: Bill Gill on October 28, 2015, 12:48:19 PM
Looking very nice. Are those two not-wrapped in styrene, white Legos with gray Legos on top for the engine?
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Post by: Carlo on October 28, 2015, 02:18:28 PM
Bill Russell (SORRY, I MEANT JIM RUSSELL)  built a superb large scale model of this.
Look it up in the 7/8ths Forum.
http://www.7-8ths.info/
Carlo
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Post by: Barney on October 29, 2015, 07:02:20 AM
Bill - yes they are LEGO blocks some of which have been skinned with plastic card in fact the engine and gear box "main lumps" are all LEGO at the moment its just the outline of the engine /gearbox I'v just started the detail work on the engine
Carlo - Bill Russells work has always been a great inspiration to me - his version of the trammer looks like the "big beast" version I managed to track down some vintage workshop manuals of these little critters and the variations appears to be endless ! much to the modellers delight !
Barney
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Post by: Barney on October 29, 2015, 07:03:32 AM
the basics
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Post by: finescalerr on November 22, 2015, 11:19:36 AM
This note appeared in my mailbox this morning regarding "unauthorized" use of online photos. Everyone should read it. The author makes a valid point: Anytime any of us posts an image we do not own we must provide attribution and/or request permission first. I had to badger a couple of websites about the unauthorized use of my own photos so I understand how the author and his colleagues feel. Here's the note:

Regarding the Fine Scale Forum

My name is Pete Jedlicka and a Co-Founder of the nonprofit organization American Industrial Mining Co. . We travel coast to coast preserving mining equipment with a strong focus on preserving mining locomotives. We have the largest online database of mining / critter type locomotives (including the master original records from the manufacture in several cases). We have always encouraged and assisted scale model builders to use our site.

It was brought to my attention by one of our fellow members of our organization that a post was made on the finescale forum regarding the Ruth Trammer Locomotive using poor screen shot images / prints then rescan from our site with no reference where the images were obtained.

http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=2617.0

Belonging to several forums ourselves there are usually etiquette procedures in place to cite the proper sources where the images were obtained from. I could not locate a guideline for posting pictures within this forum. Is this something that can be corrected or are there guidelines in place that we could just not locate?

We are a nonprofit 501c(3) mining preservation organization like I previously stated earlier. Our volunteers spend 1,000's of hours conducting research and updating to our continuously growing site for some of the most unique images never seen before up till now. We have another 1,000 + images ready to be updated over the winter. Our volunteers appreciate the craftsmanship that go into scale models with the same regard as our passion to restore / preserve mining locomotives for future generations.

This is why the volunteers were questioning posting etiquette after all the work that was required to launch the Ruth Section of the site.

http://www.americanindustrialmining.com/ruth-locomotive-trammers

Keep up the great work, the scale models are very impressive.
--
If I may be of further assistance to you in this matter please do not hesitate to email or call my mobile Ph# 614-571-7245.

Thanks,

Pete Jedlicka,
Special Projects Coordinator and Co Founder for American Industrial Mining Company
(Non profit mining and industrial equipment preservation)
www.americanindustrialmining.com


Russ
Title: Re: 2ft Gauge mining critter in 16mm scale
Post by: Barney on February 04, 2016, 08:16:57 AM
To start with an apology - Some months ago the Industrial Mining website complained I used their photos without permission . I had no intention of upsetting anyone or making any gain and apologise to them.

Now "onward and upward " and to continue with My "freelance prototype version" of a Ruth Diesel 2ft mining critter in 16mm to the foot scale some progress made now detailing the 2 cylinder diesel engine - fuel pump/starter motor injector pump completed - now on the air filter and finishing the throttle control on the bulk head lots more to do but run out of ideas on things like starter motor cable and other cables how to depict the bolt on connections any ideas any one ? although being quite a large scale 16mm = 1ft even heavy duty cables work out quite delicate
Barney
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Post by: Barney on February 04, 2016, 08:22:19 AM
New seat a few mods to the radiator
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Post by: Barney on February 04, 2016, 08:23:49 AM
and new sign for the diorama
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 04, 2016, 07:20:17 PM
Looking good. Is the sign a 3d print?
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Post by: Barney on February 05, 2016, 06:32:36 AM
Ray
Its just plastic card with Slaters letters - Sprayed with Humbrol matt Grey and dry brushed with Humbrol Metal coat (polished steel)
Barney
letters available from https://slatersplastikard.com/assets/pdfs/AlphabetFlyer.pdf an excellent company with a world wide service
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Post by: Barney on February 05, 2016, 06:46:54 AM
Now for another classic joke from Mr Russ (cough and a splutter ) Ruth Diesel is Vin Diesel's mother !
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Post by: finescalerr on February 05, 2016, 11:11:34 AM
The metal plate looks terrific. And Barney must stand in the corner. -- Russ
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Post by: Barney on April 15, 2016, 03:42:22 AM
A bit of progress but still a long way to go - loads of detail work to do on the "body work" lamps / brackets and wiring front and rear to be fitted - brakes needs rivet and nut bolt detail + all the other little bits - general wiring to starter motor and generator /lamp switches /battery box and on and on we go !
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Post by: Barney on April 15, 2016, 03:47:59 AM
As with the engine a few changes to give it that different look all done with bits a pieces laying around in the Mine (with no name) workshop a more comfortable !! seat
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Post by: Barney on April 15, 2016, 03:51:20 AM
Engine "finished" I think ! starter motor and generator to be fitted last after painting
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Post by: Barney on April 15, 2016, 03:54:32 AM
shots of the engine a Two cylinder Diesel
Barney
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Post by: lab-dad on April 15, 2016, 05:04:30 AM
Dead sexy!
Mj
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Post by: Design-HSB on April 15, 2016, 05:22:37 AM
Simply amazing what you build so grandiose of many small parts.
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Post by: Bill Gill on April 15, 2016, 06:48:17 AM
Barney, What Helmut said!
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Post by: Lawton Maner on April 15, 2016, 08:32:55 AM
I love the paint job on the chassis, it reminds me of an Orca.
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Post by: finescalerr on April 15, 2016, 09:18:05 AM
Satisfactory. -- Russ
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Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 15, 2016, 09:45:14 AM
Very ! Satisfactory

Just remind me ,  your plastic nuts & bolts ..... Do you drill holes for fixing them ( i.e. Leaving the moulded stem on ) or are you just cutting them off flush then fixing

Just seems sharper than my work/method
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Post by: Barney on April 15, 2016, 11:52:08 AM
Hope this helps with the nut/bolt/rivet issue     -   My apologies for the colour forgot to change the white balance thingy !!
Barney
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Post by: Chuck Doan on April 15, 2016, 12:43:21 PM
That is looking great Barney!
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 15, 2016, 07:37:55 PM
Looks great, can't wait to see some paint on it!
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Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 15, 2016, 11:42:08 PM
Thanks Barney, much appreciated.

Impressed with both technique and the drawings ...... What programme are you using ?

Oh and one more question to glue the nuts in place with a solvent or super glue
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Post by: Barney on April 16, 2016, 04:48:20 AM
Gordon - mainly super-glue when its just the head of the rivet or nut - only use MEK when using the sprue and hole method
What "Program" are you having me on ! old school here a pencil and a piece of paper  - photo into the Apple thing and type the words on the photo
Barney
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Post by: Lawton Maner on April 16, 2016, 04:15:04 PM
Remember if you cut those little b******* in a clear plastic bag which your wife brought her dry cleaning home they won't become ballistic entities which vanish into the void.  Same trick for small springs. It works quite simply when you insert a medium sized cardboard box into the bag and drape the front down over your arms. For regular use, spray paint the interior white.
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Post by: Chuck Doan on April 17, 2016, 04:20:05 PM
Good idea, Lawton!
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Post by: Barney on November 07, 2016, 07:07:37 AM
A Bit more progress after a bit of a rest ! engine now completed and undercoat on - front and rear lamps and few other bits done last few nuts and bolts to go and in the paint shop this week !
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Post by: Barney on November 07, 2016, 07:08:58 AM
other side
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Post by: finescalerr on November 07, 2016, 10:25:03 AM
Satisfactory. -- Russ
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 07, 2016, 11:22:40 AM
Cool!
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Post by: Hydrostat on November 07, 2016, 11:44:25 AM
So much about knitting a new hat to match your anorak, hu?  That's great  :o!

Cheers,
Volker