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Title: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on February 18, 2016, 02:01:25 PM
Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck  1911 Packard Two Ton Truck. 1:16 scale

Hetch Hetch had two of these trucks number 6 and 9 and converted to rail operation with pony trucks, and under body turntable that allowed them to be turned anywhere on the railroad.

The plans I'm using for the 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck. are in the March-April 1991 Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette. The one photo I have of the work truck has a end dump bed with a cable pulley lift on both sides. The photo is in the May-June 1991 Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette. The photo was taken in the Sierra Nevadas east of Groveland, California.  Photo collection of Ted Wurm.

Hetch Hetchy Railbus #19in the Jamestown Roundhouse This rail bus is a White truck not a Packard , but the pony truck and the under body turntable are similar. I have a few photos of the pony truck and very little info on the turn table dump bed and cable hoist.

Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Seattle Dave on February 18, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
Could you please share what year of the issues of the Gazette you are referring to?  Also a page number for the photo you reference please.  Thanks.

Dave
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on February 18, 2016, 05:44:06 PM
Sorry Dave, the photo is in the May-June 1991 on page 78.

Gordon Birrell

  https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on February 18, 2016, 09:29:55 PM
number 19. three photos...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31291809@N05/21947489461/in/photostream/

Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: lab-dad on February 19, 2016, 04:44:45 AM
WOO HOO Another truck!

I guess it's time to start a thread about my 1920 Oldsmobile truck...........
I'll do it this weekend :-\
Cant wait to see what you do with yours Gordan!

-Marty
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on May 31, 2016, 04:11:54 PM

This photo shows the summer work table that sets in front of my fire place with drawing on a 18 inch X 22 inch sheet of graph paper 8 squares per inch, on top of a mat board work surface. The drawing,.. I started with a top view of  the frame  and a side view from the top of the frame down to the track. I will add the drawings of the other parts as the model moves forward. The black parts between the two frame sides  is a jig to hold the differential, spring mounts and tension bar when connecting them to the frame. To glue the frame... On these wood parts I flood the joint with thin CA glue, so I add a sheet of wax paper between the drawing and the frame parts. I use weighted down blocks of wood to hold the frame straight and square when gluing. The 3/8 inch  wood channels is from Northeastern Scale Lumber Co. At the back of the photo is a drawing of the pone truck The wheels for the pony truck are Russ Simpsons wheel sets with a modified axle, and detail on the hubs. The rear wheels... starts out with a two piece core, (1) cannon wheel casting # OM 301-1 from Ozark Miniatures (2) ¼ inch slice of 2 O.D. inch piece of tubing from Plastruct. For the thread I use two layers of 0.020 inch X ¼ inch styrene strip glued to the core . With a circle cutter  I cut 0.030 inch styrene rings for the front and back and I added detail on the front and back of the hubs. .Also at the back of the photo rail section base and a jig for making  the springs.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7763/26959090550_58a1f008c4_z.jpg)

This photo showing a close up of the jig.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7428/27018685470_2b6585e328_z.jpg)

At this point I have to make up with no plan or drawing  what the parts looks like. The gazette plans  has limited info. on the brakes, transmission and engine. I only have the one photo of the dump bed and hoist and the under-body turn table. 

Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Ray Dunakin on May 31, 2016, 08:45:51 PM
Great work, and very interesting to see how you set it up.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: lab-dad on June 01, 2016, 04:55:08 AM
Gordon, your rear end looks great!  ::)  sorry - I couldn't resist!

I love seeing everyone's bench (even when you clean up before the picture!)

It is amazing even with the internet how few images there are of these old trucks.

-Marty
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on July 14, 2016, 09:27:11 AM
Thank guys for your comments.
Here's a photo of the painted pony trucks and the drive wheels along with some other parts. I used the jig at the bottom of the photo to form the arm rest supports.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8793/28218205521_28f879b54f_z.jpg)



Here's five photos of my progress.

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(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8652/28218205211_af50e5ac5c_z.jpg)

Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: finescalerr on July 14, 2016, 11:33:54 AM
GORGEOUS!! -- Russ
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Bill Gill on July 14, 2016, 12:58:40 PM
Another interesting choice and excellently executed model. It is going to look super when finished.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: greenie on July 14, 2016, 05:10:00 PM
WOW, bloody nice job ! ! :o :o
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Chuck Doan on July 14, 2016, 09:21:10 PM
Nice to see more of your beautiful work Gordon!
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 15, 2016, 08:17:53 PM
Wow, that really looks amazing!

Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: 1-32 on July 16, 2016, 01:44:45 AM
really nice great shot of the underside cheers
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Allan G on July 16, 2016, 09:07:55 AM
Awesome as always!!!...Allan
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Barney on August 16, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
Lovely job and superb detail
Barney
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on December 17, 2016, 08:50:01 AM
Thank guys for your comments. Here's eight photos of the model in it's composite stage. I will start painting and then add the remaining detail.
For the engine I used a Minicraft Model Kits  1931 Ford Model A ,for the pattern. The engine is a four-cylinder with a generator and electric starter.




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Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: NORCALLOGGER on December 17, 2016, 10:25:44 AM
Very nice Gordon, I always love to look at your detail work.
I especially like the work on the engine
Rick
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: finescalerr on December 17, 2016, 10:58:21 AM
Most satisfactory. And it is great to see you back. -- Russ
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Barney on December 17, 2016, 12:46:44 PM
Stunning stuff !! the more I see the more I think this is the scale to work in - keep it coming its full of inspiration
Barney
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Ray Dunakin on December 17, 2016, 06:44:37 PM
Stunning work, as always!
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Allan G on December 17, 2016, 08:29:06 PM
WOW!.....Allan
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Chuck Doan on December 17, 2016, 11:23:31 PM
Excellent! Great to see this coming together.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Bill Gill on December 18, 2016, 05:36:03 AM
Looks great even without paint.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: 5thwheel on December 18, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
Simply mavalus..
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Hauk on December 18, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
What all the others said!
Another fantastic signature model.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Hydrostat on December 18, 2016, 11:08:32 PM
A lot of people like the appearance of unpainted brass models. Your mix of materials brings out another, very special quality, that appeals much more to me. Nevertheless I'm looking forward to see it painted. Maybe I missed it somewhere: what have the vertical beams withe the rollers been used for? Was it for raising the truck bed? Must have taken some serious stress to the fixing point lacking some bevel braces. Inspite of them being static models yours always look like they could set off any time.

Cheers,
Volker
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on January 01, 2017, 06:46:56 PM
Thank guys for your comments.
Barney...1:16 scale is a lot of fun. I build a steam crane back in the early 70's in 1:48 scale that would have been a lot better model in 1:16 scale. I  miss not having Simsons and Trackside Details casting and products. I wish I had gotten  my last order to Trackside Details out before they went out of business. 
Volker... The vertical posts are for raising the truck bed. I waited to add the bracing until the cable was added to get the bracing in the right place.
Here's two photos of the mechanical for the bed hoist and the under body turn table,



(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/609/31694145851_d565becc5c_z.jpg)

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/491/31694145311_3cac2fcefa_z.jpg)

Gordon Birrell


https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 02, 2017, 01:04:22 AM
Looks awesome already!
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Design-HSB on January 02, 2017, 04:38:40 AM
Hello Gordon,

another great model from you.
I have just once again viewed with pleasure your very interesting Flickr pages.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: finescalerr on January 02, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Gordon, maybe some of us on this forum could use SketchUp (or whatever) to create 3D prints of the most useful Simpson and Trackside Details items. And thanks for starting the New Year by showing your progress. -- Russ
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Allan G on January 02, 2017, 11:42:56 AM
Unreal or is it real.....Allan
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Scratchman on January 20, 2017, 04:39:34 PM
Thank guys for your comments.

Here's eight photos of the finished model.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/687/31558172063_bf321e44a8_z.jpg)

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Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Chuck Doan on January 20, 2017, 04:42:48 PM
That is just beautiful Gordon! A really unique prototype and model.
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: NORCALLOGGER on January 20, 2017, 08:34:14 PM
A masterful job Gordon,  Thanks for sharing it with us.
Rick
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 20, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
Magnificent!
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: finescalerr on January 21, 2017, 12:01:55 AM
Apparently you haven't lost your touch. Most satisfactory. -- Russ
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Allan G on January 21, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
Agree with everyone. Wonderful.....Allan
Title: Re: Hetch Hetchy #6 or 9 work truck 1911 Packard Two Ton Truck.
Post by: Hydrostat on January 21, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
Ditto. My deep respect for that unique model. I love this little turntable below the ... the thingie.

Volker