Hello everybody
One of my last trips (before the lockdown) led me to the small river port of Basel here in Switzerland. There I met this interesting model situation:
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Now I am slowly and steadily recreating this situation.
Here are a few pictures of the state of the work today.
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Great job on that. Is the boxcar scratch built?
What scale is this?
Jerry
Without the figure in the first photo I would have thought for a minute I was looking at a 1:1 scene with real weeds. Adequate. -- Russ
Hi everybody
Jerry: it is 1:32 scale. Sorry..I d'ont know the matching scale in the US.... The boxcar is a standard Märklin Boxcar I bought secondhand and then weathered. Not finished yet as one can see from the shiny wheels...
Russ: Thanks a lot! I am quite happy that I could fox you... ;)
Hi Thomas
For me Basel is just around the corner! I love such regional subjects very much and the scene is very realistic indeed! At my next visit in Basel I sure will take a look on site...
Cheers Peter
Lovely stuff this - nice to see unusual models
Barney
Very well done! Is that a transfer table?
For the record, in the U.S. we call 1:32 scale simply "1:32". It is a wonderful size for many models, especially industrial narrow gauge indoors and all standard gauge trains outdoors. -- Russ
Hello
Peter: the world is too small...another swiss guy in the forum :) But the quality of your work is really out of my reach..
Unfortunately the transfer table is not longer there. It was dismantled. But there should be still another one next to the same spot. Not the same model but interesting, too.
Barney: Yes this is a transfer table. The interesting fact is, that this table is above the normal rails. Usally those transfer tables are on the same level and need a indentation
Russ: Thanks for your informations
A fine piece of industrial history. Compliments from Switzerland.
Bernhard
Hello Bernhard
Thanks! Merci viumau...
Some small progress:
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Now my cars won't move out of the diorama...
A crowning touch. -- Russ
Perfection!
Very nice and very realistic.
Thanks for your comments!
Another step in finishing the diorama (ok...still far away from the end..)
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Very realistic! Terrific work.
Good evening
Unfortunaltely I did not have so much time due to this special situation...
But a little progress so far:
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As usual: many details are still missing..but I am having so much fun ;D
It looks like you ar having fun with it. Thank you for posting the update photo.
Nothing wrong with that! Thanks for posting. -- russ
Looking good - with nice fine detail - keep it coming
Barney
Interesting subject, and beautiful work!
Hi .
love the contrast between the different building faces, bricks, blocks and concrete.
cheers
Looking good! Very nice work.
Thanks for your replies! I really appreciate your comments.
And I am open for any helpful hints and reviews from the pros...
Added some "dirt" on the walls:
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The brickwork on the backdrop is particularly good looking. I think the presentation is inspiring because the backdrop is so well done and while realistic will sere to focus attention on the foreground.
Thomas,
your design is amazingly real - please show more!
Frithjof
Good evening
Some days off...unfortunately not the trip I planned..but I will stay at home and keep on working on the diorama..
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For a moment I thought you had photographed an actual end-of-track area. Then I read your post and looked again ... very carefully. Excellent job. -- Russ
Excellent work, Thomas. I definitely must take a look at the situation in Basel next time I'm there.
Bernhard
very - very nice with detail
Barney
For a second there I thought that was a prototype photo.
Thanks for your kind comments :D
This gives me motivation to continue.
And please forgive me that I don't give too many comments for your excelent works!
Hello to everybody
The diorama is progressing slowly...
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The graffiti shows the actual dream of us all...I guess...
The diorama may be progressing slowly but is it also is progressing beautifully. The detail is very believable. -- Russ
Very Nice Detail and so realistic its coming on great
Barney
Beautiful work, very well done!
Wonderful attention to the effects of weather on the structures. I love the Covid Graffiti; It clearly dates the diorama as current. I don't know about Europe, but in America, there should be some litter scattered about. Keep your weathering eye finely tuned and keep on sharing.
Hello everybody
Some progress..
I wanted to have a nice end at the right side of the diorama. So I decided to build a container crane out of cardboard.
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The surface of the slightly rough cardboard is perfect to represent old worn steel.
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I work with a lot of paper and cardstock but never would have guessed that is card. Most adequate. -- Russ
The atmosphere of this industrial equipment is excellently reproduced.
Bernhard
Amazing! I would not have guessed it was made from cardboard.
Hello
Thanks for your comments!
In the last post one could see the shiny oil wagon.
This of course really destroyed the whole scene...
Thats why I attacked the car and tried to weather it.
Here a rare shot from my working place..I really try to not make such a mess..but...
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Finally I am quite happy with the result.
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Hi Thomas
Love this style of small detailed industrial scenes and this one is a beauty.
cheers Kim
I see there is another one of us whose usable work area is smaller then a pizza box. Right now mine is being shared with a 5kg grey cat.
Quote from: shitao on February 03, 2021, 10:31:49 AM
The surface of the slightly rough cardboard is perfect to represent old worn steel.
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Good morning Shitao,
which technique did you apply for the worn steel/peeling color effect? Salt - seems a bit precarious to me according to the water involved?
Cheers,
Volker
The tank car didn't bother me but it certainly looks much better now. And I'm just as curious as Volker about how you colored the yellow post. -- Russ
Hello
The yellow post is quite simple..
Just adding the yellow paint with a brush.
Then add some mix yellow with white paint around scratches.
To similate the scratches I then paint them in a reddish brown.
Then adding a brown wash (mix of little brown with a lot of water)
I gave the parts next to the ground an additional coat of some light grey-ocre paint with a sponge.
So the really basic weathering method...
The really good point is, that the surface of cardboard already looks very realistic like old worn steel.
One just has almost nothing to add :D
Great job on the tank car. The metal and wood textures/colors look very authentic.
Great scene!
Hello
Thank you for the comments!
As my little scene will be during winter time I need some icicles.
With my heat gun I just randomly pour some of the glue on a sheet of backing paper:
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Then I did choose the best ones and trimmed them:
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Finally I glued them on the right spots around the building:
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Nice icicles! They definitely help identify the season.
I had good luck making some small ones with clear silicone caulk on waxed paper. I added a tiny dot of white acrylic paint
and mixed it only into the top portion of some of the larger icicles as I shaped them with a toothpick. When cured, they could
be glued in place with a dot of the same caulk.
I also experimented making large icicles to apply to a blasted rock face. Some of those got a little more opaque white paint
while others got a touch of pale blue or green to look like leaching minerals.
Good work. And thanks for the additional little tutorial, Bill. -- Russ
Well done. You don't often see winter reproduced.
Bernhard
Hello
The snow ist coming...
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I want to have the snow quite dirty.
The dirty snow remains especially in the second picture look absolutely convincing. How did you do that? Oh - and I like the wet thaw appearance!
It makes you feel cold just like its been here in England- very realistic
Barney
Thomas, absolutely realistic wonderful thanks for showing.
You seem to have put the snow in all the right places. Very convincing. -- Russ
Thanks for your comments!
To simulate the snow I use the products from AK Interactive:
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And no: I do not get any money for this advertisement...unfortunately ;)
The small snow hills have a base of foam.
Then I drab "Terrains Snow" on the surface. Immediately followed by sprinkling "Snow Microballoons".
After about an hour I add "Snow Sprinkles" all arond the base of the snow hill.
This now needs to dry another hour.
I then randomly brush a wet wash of dark and light brown colour around the base. This really soakes into the surface.
On top of the snow I add also a dark colour paint wash. The paint is not as wet and is just brushed on the surface without soaking into.
And I have to give my excuse to everybody: I seldom comment your work. This is not because I don't appreciate it..It is just because I'm left stunning and speachless about this high grade of realism and beauty...
Quote from: shitao on March 06, 2021, 04:00:34 AM
And I have to give my excuse to everybody: I seldom comment your work. This is not because I don't appreciate it..It is just because I'm left stunning and speachless about this high grade of realism and beauty...
Hello Thomas, this was one of the best snow representations I have seen so far and therefore thank you for the explanation. From my point of view, your contributions also enrich this forum and you can absolutely keep up with it in your own way.
Now, you need to get Banksy to admit that the Covid graffiti is his and you can quit as a hands down winner!
Very nice! I like the wet, dirty-snow look.
A small suggestion -- the base of the snowman needs to be less round on the bottom.
Thomas, very successful for the first time a plant with snow that looks natural and not kitschy.
With the snowman, I have to agree with Ray.
Hello
I agree with the snowmen. Actually this was just a test to look if the microballoons work.
Probably I won't really put him on the layout.
Spring is coming...and I am modelling snow and ice...
I just want to show you how I did the ice in the harbour.
Many pictures with little text..
I am using the products from AK for the first time.
Guess there are other brands, too.
I first poured the whole surface of the harbour:
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Then I made small pieces with the help of my friend "hammer"...
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Glued them on the prepared surface with some gaps between the pieces
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Then I filled the gaps with acrylic water:
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Added some ice surface.
But I wasn't happy with the result...
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So I added another layer of snow
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Finally it looks quite OK
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Next time I rather make the gaps wider to add more water and less ice.
Hi Shitao how are you?
The wall is great but the ice needs more work great comment from somebody who has only seen snow a few times in my life. Please bear with me the snow just does not as it has melted into the snow more like icing sugar.Maybe you need some practice strips then glue the good one onto the baseboard.
cheers Kim
Hi Kim
I am OK. Looking forward the next Covid wave...
Unfortunately last year in Utrecht we could not meet each other.
For the ice: my goal was not to model the smooth and white ice as one can see in the very northern parts of the world.
Rather the ice as one will observe in the harbours like Hamburg.
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You did a nice job of copying the appearance of that ice. -- Russ
Good job, it does look very much like your prototype.
Nice looking diorama.
I like the original setting in the winter season with the snow.
Out of curiosity, wat are the dimensions of your diorama ?
Hello Marc (?)
The diorama is 1m wide and 40 cm deep.
Really small...for 1:32 locos...
Hi Thomas,
Marc is correct ;D
That is really small, especially when you model in 1:32 normal gauge :o
I am trying to design also a small 1:32 shunting diorama / layout and am currently at 2.2m x 75cm and struggling.
So what you are pulling of is impressive.
But which switches are you using ? With my KM1 switches I really need the lengte, I fear.
Regards,
Marc
Btw will the traverse be manually operated ?
Hello Marc
The traverser is driven by a small motor. I am using iTrain and the Dinamo System to run the locos and the traverser.
The switch is handmade. It is absolutely not like it should be in reality... Much too short and steep..
This was the only way to get the diorama in such a tiny space.
Hello
Another task to complte is the train shed.
On my sliding diorama I want to have a locomotive shed in clinker construction. Now I'm not quite so masochistically inclined that I want to layer the required thousands of bricks individually..but realistically it should look then but.
That's where my friend the laser cutter comes in.
The first step for me is (as always) to build an abstract cardboard model:
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I drew out the whole building and then laser cut out the individual stone layers in 2 mm cardboard:
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Now the stone layers are glued together layer by layer. Always with a cardboard 0.5 mm in between as a distance joint for the mortar:
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The proud builder in front of a first wall section:
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After a few hours, the house is built:
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Overall, it went quite well and expeditiously.
And the brickwork also looks quite realistic for my taste.
A very interesting way to do all the brickwork. Looks really good and the walls have a good thickness.
An outstanding result. -- Russ
What a clever method, and the results are excellent!
Hello Thomas,
First of all, please do not take my comment as negative criticism.
I just want to express my thoughts when I just saw your masonry:
I think the idea of laser cutting the rows of stones as individual layers is great - aligning them with the help of the square bars is also a great idea!
Only when I look at the 0.5mm thick joint does it appear to be a bit too strong. It is now 1/4 the height of the stone. At a scale of 1:32 this corresponds to 1.6 cm in the original.
I measured a joint width of 1.0 cm and a stone height of 6.0 cm on our house.
I think a spacer of 0.3mm at 1:32 would make the overall impression better.
Do you want to fill the joints with sand?
Otherwise, I always find it great how you can relate to reality in such a small space!
I'll place my vote in the thinner mortar column. I'm not sure what the thickness is in other parts of the world is, but the usual here in the US is about a half inch (12mm +/-) which is why cement block while nominally 8" tall are actually 7.5". Otherwise the wall looks great.
Clever idea with the lasered brick walls. Yet another thought: in the last picture the bricks look very much 'lined up' wherever a row protrudes a bit. Would mounting the wall lying flat on a plane surface be an option? Otherwise it may not be visible after final coloring and weathering at all.
Hello
First of all: I am in this forum, because I LIKE to have critical comments.
In my opinion it is the only way to make progress in my individual modelling skills.
Thank you!
I agree with the too large spacing between the rows. Would have been better with a thinner joint.
It is something I will certainly "correct" for another try.
The joints will be finally filled with fine sand. This will give a really nice apperance and help to give a natural look.
The lining up of the individual rows was/is quite a challenge. I in fact did laying the wall flat on the table. But it is still not so easy..
Maybe I shoul have been more patient..?
If you're not completely satisfied, do it again. We all do that.
Well, except for me because I do everything perfectly the first time.
Russ
Quote from: finescalerr on May 30, 2021, 01:16:48 PM
If you're not completely satisfied, do it again. We all do that.
Well, except for me because I do everything perfectly the first time.
Russ
That's about the only advice that you need to build great models. The only corrollary would be to save a bit of time by finding out how others do it.