Steam engine for a saw mill

[Barney]

At the start of a new year it looks like my main objective (as last year) is to see how many unfinished projects I can achieve so its off into the unknown again but rely try this time to finish something !
I have been looking at small saw mills and thought I would start with the "power plant" a small steam engine but can not find any measurement's as a  rough guide to the size of these things -found loads of photos all museum type of things with nothing to take a measurement from or a guide size of flywheel or a person standing by the side looking at Marty's "Corliss project" he also states the same "Unfortunately I was not able to find plans/blueprints so I drew my own scaling the plans from photos and the few know dimensions."
any help would much be appreciated and you never know I might break my habit of wandering of and actually finish a project !!
Barney

[5thwheel]

If you find the engine size listed it should get you pretty close to the scale.  A 9 X 12 engine would give you a nine inch bore and a twelve inch stroke.  Add about four inches to each to allow for casting and you should be pretty close.  What do you consider a small sawmill?
Bill

[shropshire lad]

Does it have to be a steam engine ? If I was building a sawmill I would run it with an old lorry engine . What about an old Matador ? Surely you , the Lorry Engine King of The World could bang something together in your sleep . If you slept .

  Happy New Year , Grinch !

  Nick

[Barney]

Bill - well lets say I'm not talking "Westside Lumber Company" the best example would be the type in the book - The Kerry Tramway " on page 70 it shows a plan and a description of a "Scotch" portable saw mill which uses a 30hp steam engine (portable type on wheels) I'm going for a permanent version which uses a mill engine normally mounted on a concrete block -so its something that could handle logs up to 2ft/2ft 6in diameter.
Nick that's to easy! and you know I love a good headache ! it keeps me awake - saving the 1/35th stuff for the Euro show and going big to 16mm to the foot built 3 versions of steam engines in 1/35th all in the bin now things just did not look right !
Barney
going big with a headache.

[lab-dad]

Barney
I have a lovely little (horizontal) "mill engine" kit manufactured by Charles Brohmer.
The overall length is about 14 feet.
The flywheel is 4.6 feet.
It is a 8"!by 12" (bore and throw)
I could scan and send the elevations and some basic dentions.
Sadly there are mone on the elevations.

Marty

[NORCALLOGGER]

Barney perhaps you can pick something up from some of our "Mill" videos.
Here are a few of them that show the main engine a little bit
Rick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGtzvEFvjA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wdRkxT7GI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj_avrB-0nE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKNAWpbUfw8&feature=youtu.be

[Krusty]

the best example would be the type in the book - The Kerry Tramway " on page 70 it shows a plan and a description of a "Scotch" portable saw mill which uses a 30hp steam engine (portable type on wheels)

Would a de-wheeled Clayton portable do?

[Krusty]

Robey Portable c1907.

[Barney]

Thanks to every one for the information you have sent in - much appreciated  at the end of it all I'm going  for the wheel-less portable type this seems to be the one for smaller saw mills and I have even made a start !
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[Gordon Ferguson]

That's a relief, was worried that steam might mean an end to Lego blocks 

[Ray Dunakin]

Nice start!

[SandiaPaul]

Doh! I just remember these pics I took up in Vermont. The engine is a bit different from the "usual" portable and you have already gone down a path. Maybe the details will be of some use.  I thought it was an interesting looking machine. Ignore the colors(if you can)

It starts with this pic and goes on for a few more:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20941728@N05/11822921333/

Paul

[Barney]

Paul - Thanks very interesting photos and that paint job ! looks like some one used all there old paint up when they cleared the shed out
Barney

[Barney]

Made a start on the boiler – I have gone for the shorter version - cannot make out what the lump of wood is for on the side - it just makes the wheel support brackets an elaborate casting! But still they seem to leave them on! even when the wheels are taken off
Barney
Run out of rivets again   
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acrylic Rod and tube used for the basic shapes
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and of course the Lego blocks
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[Barney]

Grandt Line rivets / nuts and bolts and some Titchy trains bolts

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